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Driver issuesNewsRegulation

FMCSA denies ELD exemption to small trucking companies – again (with video)

A group representing trucking and other companies with 50 employees or less has been denied an exemption from the federal electronic logging device (ELD) mandate.

The exemption, filed by the Small Business in Transportation Coalition (SBTC), received nearly 2,000 comments after it was posted in June 2018, with the vast majority – roughly 95 percent – in favor of the exemption.

However, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) asserted that SBTC’s application failed to provide evidence that safety would not be compromised under the exemption.

SBTC, which claims to have a membership of over 12,000 individuals and groups, did not “explain how you would ensure that you could achieve a level of safety that is equivalent to, or greater than, the level of safety that would be obtained by complying with the regulation,” according to the FMCSA’s decision, scheduled to be posted on July 17.

SBTC also did not meet the statutory requirement to describe “the specific countermeasures the person would undertake to ensure an equivalent or greater level of safety than would be achieved absent the requested exemption,” FMCSA stated. “SBTC proposed no countermeasures at all.”

In its application, SBTC asserted that ELDs, which were required to be installed and in use starting on April 1, 2018, are tools used to determine compliance with existing hours-of-service regulations, and that the ELD mandate itself is not a safety regulation per se.

“Therefore, it is our position that this rule does not itself impact safety, and that the level of safety will not change based on whether or not our exemption application is approved. That would require a change to the [hours-of-service rules],” SBTC contended. The exemption would have allowed motor carriers with fewer than 50 employees to maintain their current practices that have resulted in a proven safety record.

Because smaller trucking companies would continue to track their hours of service through paper logs, and that this method has been sufficient since the 1930s, SBTC argued, “we believe the level of safety is already assured by the pre-existing Hours of Service rule as opposed to this ELD enforcement mechanism rule.”

Officials from the Washington, D.C.-based coalition were not available to comment.

A similar ELD exemption request filed by the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) was denied by FMCSA in July 2018. OOIDA’s request was for five years and would have covered small businesses as defined by the Small Business Administration, which are those having average annual revenue of $27.5 million or less.

Most of the support for SBTC’s application came from smaller independent operators, while safety groups and those representing larger trucking companies generally opposed the request.

The American Trucking Associations (ATA), for example, disagreed with SBTC’s assertion that the ELD mandate did not itself constitute a safety regulation, because granting an exemption would allow fleets with 50 or fewer employees to use paper logs to record their on-duty time.

“This would allow for the potential of falsification of records of duty status (RODS) while leaving no controls in place for enforcement,” ATA argued in its comments. “The technical specifications and requirements of ELDs ensure the accuracy of a drivers’ RODS, and reduce the likelihood that a driver is operating beyond the federally established limits.”

Carriers using automatic onboarding recording devices (AOBRDs) were grandfathered in when the “soft” ELD mandate went into effect in December 2017, and were given until December 16, 2019, to comply. However, the latest weekly survey conducted by FreightWaves and EROAD, released on July 15, found that 23 percent of fleets with one to five trucks have yet to make the switch.

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John Gallagher, Washington Correspondent

Based in Washington, D.C., John specializes in regulation and legislation affecting all sectors of freight transportation. He has covered rail, trucking and maritime issues since 1993 for a variety of publications based in the U.S. and the U.K. John began business reporting in 1993 at Broadcasting & Cable Magazine. He graduated from Florida State University majoring in English and business.

76 Comments

  1. In 2018 truck, in Michigan, according to AAA Michigan, commercial vehicle fatalities were up 18% in 2018 vs 2017…. Automobile fatalities were down. Safety, riiight….

      1. The main reasons it was denied was
        1. The vast majority of small companies that are seen by the public are usually poorly operated with either foriegn very low quality unskilled operators that are pure money hungry..
        2. Mega companies that can afford to put 6 trucks to move 1 shipment 2500 miles in a fast cycle.
        3. Market control forces such as Amazon that monopolies have been set up around to control the freight rates and operating environment.
        The FMCSA refuses to address the problem is with no balance in the revenue, it causes operating adaptive that lead to a unsafe environment.
        The solution is fire Bill Martinez immediately and his staff and replace him with small trucking business communities for specific regions, all which have different different types of conditions unique to their operations.
        Martinez must go today.

        1. Everyone in this industry knows the Elaine Chow
          Bill Martinez and Mitch McConnell are in the back pocket of the Mega Trucking company.
          All three should be removed and prosecuted for allowing such a huge sector of the economic fabric to be manipulated by Clinton/ Obama/ Bush policies which do not favor the small companies fairly.
          This coming from a Centrist minded voter.
          Trump needs to address this immediately.

          1. So your saying is what I’ve heard for years that government wants to get rid of small operations because it’s easier to control four or five huge companies then hundreds of small companies. An

        2. Also we need too get ata and all of these in the pockets of the major carriers the hell out of the decision making because it’s not about making roadways safe. It’s all about driving out small companies and major trucking companies have the Monopoly

        3. You completely ignore the money and man behind this group has been ripping small carriers off for a while and recently paid a significant fine while admitting no guilt.
          This group was started to pay his legal fees.

    1. I dont understand the issue. I run a fleet of 10 company drivers and have now problem operating under the current ELD mandate.
      If you cannot do it legal then get out of the business.
      It’s the same as you guys complaining about inspection blitz’s…really if your trucks were safe there would be nothing to worry about.
      I say HARD enforcement. Not compliant shut you down immediately.

      1. You sir are a complete and total fu#king idiot. Look at the safety data from before the eld mandate and after. Eld has not one thing to do with safety, but what do you care. Your probably one of the guys who has the 10 company driver’s who are driving 40 miles an hour through the truck stop so that the can get to a fuel pump to do their 30 minute break and then get back to the highway and roll down the road watching a video on their phone with their foot on the dash of your junk Volvo, all while you sit at home getting fatter! Keep up the good work there dumba#s!

    2. I was working for a produce distribution co that had maybe 10-12 trucks. Mine was the only truck that was required to have eld onboard due to the age of all the trucks. Other drivers could take a route and pickup produce from area farms and come back in 1 trip. Amounts to about 13 hours. I had the same route but by law had to do the same routes but take the 10hr break. It was taking me too long to bring back the same produce everyone else was getting. I lost my job because of eld!! Thank God for regulations huh

    3. Accident costs up over 40 percent in ont. trucks that were E-log equipped trucks in April to December of 2018 vs 2017. A number of trucking companies of 20 to 150 trucks have been told after a audit that showed the trucks leaving warehouses in the U.S. with no hours have had their insurance rates are up 40 to 60 percent increase if they can get insurance at all. The rules need to make all warehouses to provide parking and bring in strong detention pay rules. In 2006 a study was done by Canada that said overtime pay after 10 hours per day or 50 hours per week. The study said overtime plus paid dock time at 1.6 time minimum wage for local truck drivers and 1.9 times minimum wage for O.T.R. Trucks drivers. This would be more effective than restrictive E-logs . The study said E-logs should be used for truck pay purposes.

  2. Just goes to show government going to do what ever they want no matter . What the majority of the people that pay there fu*king wages .want !!!!!

  3. Since eld was put in truck it has added two days to 2400 mile run. Warehouse do not care. I have not been home since the eld was put in. Run ltl freight. Get 16 hours of sleep aday now. Waiting for Wharehouse.

    1. I have been a commercial driver for 30 years. And I have never in the past 8 years that I am running ELD ever had a problem making my delivery because of an ELD. It never adds any time you know how to work it properly Manage your time properly You would not have a problem. The only people that have a problem with these are the ones that wanna break all the laws they want to run over there 11 hours A-day go 14 15 18 hours I do understand have no weight around at places weight the low to unload been delayed their. It’s also designed the if those people the shippers and receivers off their butts because then the trucking companies going to start finding them is what she is going to start happening.

      1. But they lied more accidents freedom should be important not a criminal every second monitor also not to mention they are selling your location to big company and other interest to put small companies out of business so you reap what you sol what can make you laugh can make you cry????????

      2. Eld is unconstitutional if our gov wants safety regulations to be better then why pass such a law that puts small companies drivers in a rush mode for driving in a 10 hour driving day THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS a 550 mile day gets knock back to a 400 mile day and the driver is in a huge rush because his ten hour driver clock is counting down and this results into more highway accidents but at the same time this law was pass certain political people getting there pocket line with lots of money from the eld such as eld companies that makes these devices and mandatory for you to spend your money on this device such as 40 million companies just for EXAMPLE could be more r less but the result is billions of dollars made by these companies so its not about safety its about steeling your money ITS ALL ABOUT your money WHAT A SCAM THIS HAS TURN out to be

      3. You are correct sir. However, personally, I just object to the idea of monitoring myself … I am one man, with one truck and trailer, my own authority, and I rarely even put in the 14 hours.. I’m 62, half retired anyway, and why should I need to spend the money to install this crap? I haven’t had a logbook violation for over hours in YEARS… I’ve had a weight issue a couple times because I pull a hopper, but shit, I’d have a hard time even managing an ELD…. why can’t us older guys with 3-4 million accident free miles running less than 100,000 miles a year get a break in this? I just think it’s an overreach by the government that serves no purpose at least in my case…. and I promise you, if I get hassled over it, it WILL be the reason I go out of business. And that’s bullshit too.

  4. The ELD is waste of tax payers money the ELD hasnt prove any safey at all. ive been trucking for 36yrs and every seen these many truck wrecks until now. its more a problem companies are going out business and people are losing there jobs the ELD want let work. The ELD is not thing its a nitemare.

  5. We all need to stop driving they are going to far and making the roads more dangerous then ever. These suites dont understand what it takes to do this jib. Its not tge drivers fault its the shippers and recievers that hold us for hours and hours. Drivers all we do is sleep to much is worse than not enough. Then trying to find parking are you kidding me . Why dont these idiots go on a truck for two weeks at a time and physicalky see what is like. They want us to be perfect every fucking day and if not we are fined. Its never been about safty its always been about money. Money first safty last. They use the trucking companies as there cash cow thats all we are is money. Drivers dont make shit for as much as we put up with and sacrifice. Athletes get paid millions truck drivers dont even get the parking pay. Safty my ass . $$$$$$$$$ crooks thats all this is

    1. You are correct part of the problem is the shippers and the receivers and the EL d’s will show just how long you’ve been sitting at a shipper to get your load how long they’ve delayed you and how long you been delayed at a receiver. C with a paper log you can just say all well I did I sat there for hours and hours waiting but with any LD it’s going to be something they have to believe it’s gonna be a computer that logs at your GPS. I’ve been a commercial truck driver for well over 30 years and last 8 or 10 years I’ve run EL d’s I have never had one problem if people learn how to manage your time properly on the road not talking about being at the shipper and receivers but figure out and factor in things like hitting Sacramento California or Salt Lake City or going through Chicago or the major cities at the rush hour time on May be going around them to make it through the traffic yelled these won’t be a problem. My ELD has never left me stranded out there except if a ship or maybe wait too long or receiver delayed me to lock and that wasn’t the LD that was the shipper and receiver and now with that we can start fining down hitting them with major find making our driver sit and wait for hours 67 hours to get 1 dam trailer unloading I’ve done it I’ve been there it sucks.

      1. There is no way you have been running an ELD for 8-10 years – they haven’t even been out that long! So don’t say you have used them that long with no problems because the guidelines for them hadn’t even been published by FMCSA at that point in time.
        If what you hauled before was a dedicated short run then yes you will have no problems with your runs today. If you are running 10 hr runs you will probably not be able to do it due to AOBRD/ELD but if FMCSA would make a rule change to the hours and let the day be split and stop the clock other than an 8/2 where the 2 doesn’t even stop it will never work.

        1. Eld has been around for 30 plus years, Google it. I am no way a fan of eld, i believe it’s big brother at it’s best. I’ve been in this business since 79 and i believe most drivers know when it’s time to take a break. Shippers and receivers don’t have a clue and for sure don’t care. It makes zero sense that if you are at a customer for 4 hrs that it counts against you, how so most are doing nothing. Last time i checked most employees don’t take a 4hour break. Drivers are human, truck accidents will never go away as long as humans are behind the wheel. Bottom line ELD NEEDS TO MAKE SO COMMEN SENSE CHANGES. ALL TRUCKING COMPANIES NEED TO DEMAND IT.

          1. Electronic Logging Device (ELD or E-Log) is electronic hardware that is attached to a commercial motor vehicle engine to record driving hours.
            They started working on this in 2012 when MAP21 was passed. The final rule was published Dec 18, 2017.
            There were other types of logging devices that were used previously but they were NOT ELD’s.

        2. Your wrong idiot… there have been ELOG devices like peoplesoft and Qualcomm out there for 20 years.
          Paper is the past. a thing of the gypsies
          Get compliant or park

          1. computerized logs maybe but not the ELOG that has now been mandated

            but thanks for the name calling, that tells me a lot about you 🙂

          2. I think me.Tom are a made up voice for the elders people to make it sound good I don’t think you know wythe hell your talking about it’s always the ones saying I don’t have nothing to hide are the ones that are the crukiedest

        3. We ran computer logs at Family Dollar in the late 80’s. Werner had had them I believe in the early 90’s.

        4. Werner started eld in 1998. Some other companies did as well. I have been on eld since I started driving and had no problem with it. Blame the drivers faking there logs and crashing because they wanted to drive for 20 hours. That’s some of the reason it’s in existence. And as far as parking tell drivers to quit trashing exit ramps and Walmart parking lots and maybe some places wouldn’t ban us from there. Also would help if truck stops would quit making stops with 25 parking spots but that’s on them.

        5. Actually there you are wrong Werner enterprises has been using them because they where forced too by dot because of their high accident rates

  6. Here i go again. On a easy, sunny afternoon, Custer and his army were wiped out once the tribes stopped battling each other and came together to vanquish Custer.
    As for us…..3 easy days not running will bring this country to a halt. WE HAVE THE POWER AND WONT USE IT. Even company men and women can just decide to sit, they are not going to fire people, they just cant do that with hundreds of trucks out there. If you got perishables, unload and sit. Freight, let it sit with you.
    Of course this will not happen, we will continue to be brutilized like second class citizens because we are in fear. Time to be scared is over, come together as a unified front and fight back. Let the ATA hacks tell you how awful you are and run your life. Cant you see, it is only going to get worse. Stand up and stop taking it.

  7. Ok, as usual, the people making decisions have no idea about anything. Never been in a truck Think they’re a good driver. How about some common sense rules? Do the suits that think this stuff up only work 14 hours? And sit around waiting for whatever 2 to 8 hours out of their 14 hours? And then totally have to stop working for 10 hours. Not a way to get much work done. A whole bunch of drivers have already figured this out. Safety is way lost compared to profit, even to the penny.
    I’d like to be able to take 3 ten minute breaks instead of on 30 minute break.
    How about a sliding scale of time? Total 70 hours a week, but some days I’ll drive only 5 or 6 hours, and other days, I could use just an extra 10 or 15 minutes. Why is it ok if commuters take an extra 10 minutes some days because traffic is terrible that day, but totally illegal for truckers? Old adage… common sense isn’t common, and totally non-existent in government.

  8. ELD’s arent about safety. They’re simply another form of government control… aka POWER!
    Nothing about safety here, just a bunch of idiots playing king of the mountain.

  9. I am a younger truck driver here and the only bit I don’t like about the current logs is how the 14 hour clock keeps running down even if you spend time waiting to get loaded. They need to either extend that out, stop it from running down when off duty or just hold these companies accountable when they take forever to unload or load us. I drive around the Northeast part of the country but there have been two times I was forced to drive out of hours because of the warehouses taking their sweet time to unload me. Besides that it is not hard to run 10-11 hours of driving a day, wake up early to beat the traffic and you can find great spots by the time your hours tell you to stop, usually try and stop an hour early so I got time just in case. It’s called trip planning.

    1. Don’t know about your company but mine starts charging the shipped after 2 hours. That’s what all companies should do.

  10. It’s ridiculous! What about a trucking company of ONE?? Every decision made by these jerks has never been about safety! It’s about money and keeping it out of the hands of those of us that keep this country moving. Why should I have to install an expensive device that’s going to be managed by me? I’ve been keeping a logbook, safe, sane and compliant for nearly 20 years. I have nearly 2 MILLION safe and ticket free miles, never had a violation, incident or accident. Installing thousands of dollars worth of equipment and paying for the use of it takes money out of my family. If we would all just sit for ONE DAY…things might actually change. For that to happen, I would willingly give up a days pay!!

    They need to stop trying to regulate working men and women who are just trying to get home and make a paycheck. Most of us aren’t stupid enough to drive loger than the HOS. We want to get home, alive and safe.

  11. Trucking companies are starting to shut the door because of the government regulations and they eld’s. Maybe Washington DC needs there food supply shut off and gas supply shut off to get them idiots attention

  12. It is a false narrative that ELDS have anything to do with saftey. . When I started driving truck 30 years ago an old driver told me that I have to learn to eat when I’m hungry and sleep when I’m tired . For many years that worked fine and now everyone is forced to do everything in 14 hours ,never mind the time waiting at shippers or receivers. ELDS in my opinion make us less safe because we don’t have the freedom to work the way we’re comfortable with. Everyone is put into the same box. It a shame that the truckers don’t have a voice, and we are pawns for the powerful who have no concept of what it means to literally move America.

    1. See that’s the problem you wanna take and do your driving on your own time it doesn’t work that way the problems we’re having out there are guys like you that decide all I’m gonna drive for the next 18 hours then I’ll go to sleep well see you don’t seem to realize at a certain point you are getting tired you are getting fatigued and you don’t realize the fact that you’re going to cause of acts then maybe you don’t get in one yourself but maybe you cause 1 by cut somebody off and you didn’t realize it or maybe you fall asleep at the wheel and you cause an accident major pile up and you’re not kill but maybe someone else is just like the moron Walmart driver that drove to his terminal took 12 hours to get there jump in the truck and then took off go do is run hitting that comedian Kevin Hart he should have been driving the truck after 12 hours of getting the work that was stupid and then he was driving for a while another 810 hours before he had the accident ran into the back of the limo that’s what they’re trying to avoid people people that don’t know their limits and most people don’t I’ve been doing this for well over 30 years been over the road I’ve done mobile I know my limits at some points and sometimes I forget and I try to push through ELD will help stop that you just have to learn to manage your time properly

      1. Don, I hate to have to tell you this, but the Walmart driver was legal with his hours of service according to FMCSA. Even though he drove straight to work and was on the road 10-12 hours to get to work, the FMCSA regulations required him to be off duty for 10 hours before being able to drive a commercial motor vehicle, which he did, he may have even had his reset as well but that I do not recollect at the moment. Should Walmart tell him he couldn’t drive? No, because it isn’t their business what he does on his time off. Should he have personally decided to get behind the wheel of a CMV? Probably not but I don’t know how he was feeling so I cannot say for certain. Was it smart on his part? Apparently not, thank goodness we all have 20/20 vision afterwards and can judge someone elses actions based on all the facts and what we believe (sucks for the driver). But anyway Don, all that to say an AOBRD/ELD was not going to change the outcome in that situation. If drivers/companies were paid fairly for their transportation services rather than nickled and dimed for every load then drivers wouldn’t be under pressure to “get to work” and the fear of losing their bonus or maybe even their job. TP is right in his thinking that we would all be safer if we could make our own decisions of what is “safe”. Should there be guidelines, Sure, there always needs to be checks and balances, but it needs to be done within reason and common sense.
        What I am about to say is made by observation and in talking to different said individuals. I don’t say it with any disrespect toward anyone. If trucking companies or individuals that are hiring foreigners, whether they immigrated here legally or if they are here with a work permit/green card, would take care of their “employees”, whether actual employees or O/O or under the guise of being an O/O, and would treat them like the “white guy” that was born here in the USA with all his “white privilege” rather than low balling them because they are making 10-15 X’s what they would make if they were in their birth country (so they are living like kings) then we would have a lot more safety out there as well. These poor guys are pushed to the limit and they are just trying to achieve the American dream and support their families back home. And if they are here legally, then good for them, I am glad they are here to work rather than wait for the government to give them handouts.

  13. ELDS do not make a safe driver in fact that device is forcing drivers to throw safety out the window or should I say some !! I my self am one of the many drivers that quit otr because I’m not going to be put under a time bomb or be pushed to hurry up race a clock to find a safe place to park yes I know it all comes down to trip planning but crap happens we don’t live in a prefect world like those suits & ties do in Washington this is trucking I quit OTR after 25 yrs prefect driving record now just local home at night yes I feel for all the rest of the truck drivers out there. I drove when trucking was at it best now that big government has took control of trucking .. Trucking has went down fast !!!

  14. ELD’s are not a tool of safety, they are a tool to track mega carriers to control their fleets to maximize their drivers H.O.S. to increase their bottom line, end of story. FMCSA has also proven it’s not a tool for safety, since they green light the 150 air mile’s if we run out of H.O.S. at Shipper or Consignee, instead of forcing Shippers or Consignee to make parking for drivers they held up, or in the event of the huge parking issue the FMCSA created. H.O.S. is the problem, and ELD’s are Money, Money, Money for the Mega Carriers, and the Electronic Start up Companies out there. I also recall FMCSA, ATA, Union, and other Safety groups stating that these devices will save at least 7 lives. Well since Truck Related Fatality Wrecks are up since 12/15/18 guess we won’t be hearing from any of these agencies defending their Safety Device.

  15. You are correct part of the problem is the shippers and the receivers and the EL d’s will show just how long you’ve been sitting at a shipper to get your load how long they’ve delayed you and how long you been delayed at a receiver. C with a paper log you can just say all well I did I sat there for hours and hours waiting but with any LD it’s going to be something they have to believe it’s gonna be a computer that logs at your GPS. I’ve been a commercial truck driver for well over 30 years and last 8 or 10 years I’ve run EL d’s I have never had one problem if people learn how to manage your time properly on the road not talking about being at the shipper and receivers but figure out and factor in things like hitting Sacramento California or Salt Lake City or going through Chicago or the major cities at the rush hour time on May be going around them to make it through the traffic yelled these won’t be a problem. My ELD has never left me stranded out there except if a ship or maybe wait too long or receiver delayed me to lock and that wasn’t the LD that was the shipper and receiver and now with that we can start fining down hitting them with major find making our driver sit and wait for hours 67 hours to get 1 dam trailer unloading I’ve done it I’ve been there it sucks.

    1. Hey Don Williams,. Ever heard of punctuation marks? Your comments are really difficult to understand. Maybe you need a elog on your keyboard to tell you where commas and periods should be. Obviously you’re uneducated.

  16. I am refusing to comply and starting a movement to get all truck drivers to do the same since nobody else is taking on these beaurocrats and corporate whores. They cannot fire us because they absolutely need us! It’s up to us truckers to stop this tyranny and abuse of us truckers. Who do they think they’re dealing with? Contact me and we’ll put an end to the ELD foolishness.

  17. I’ve been driving trucks since 1977, I ran my butt off, 800 to 1000 miles a day, from 14 to 20 hours a day, one thing I Love in trucking is the ELD’s, now I drive anywhere from 300 to 770 miles a day and no more than 11 hours a day!
    I think anyone who operates a commercial vehicle should have a ELD in their vehicle, because the trucking companies can’t make you run illegal any longer!
    I still make a great check every payday!

    So deal with the new era of trucking, because it’s here to stay!

    1. Its Completely Unsafe & Now You Have MORE Gov. Where They Dont BELONG & Have No Idea What Its Like Out There On The Road – Its Utter BULLSHIT- If You Don’t Have Balls Enough To STAY Compliant On Pper Logs w/ Alil Give w/ Your Employer/Boss Then Get Off The Road or Switch Company’s- THIS WHOLE ELD IS FUCKING JUNK-

  18. So far we have seen an increase in trucking companies shutting down in ,2019. Some of which (especially in California) are due to not being able to cover the rising costs of mandated truck upgrades, increase in fuel costs and lower freight pays. Therefore we have less trucks making deliveries. Have they not thought about the reprocitions? No trucks means no food, fuel, clothes, home items,etc….being delivered. Trains can only go so far. So are they ready to start forking bailout money to keep these companies going? They bailed out the automotive industry, which delivers cars/trucks by semi. Keep keep putting restrictions on trucks and see how quickly the United States turns into a third world country because we can’t have an economy without trucks.

  19. I have not seen any reports or documentation that the ELD’s have made the roads any safer. I seriously doubt that it has. This is just another form of government interference trying to get rid of owner operators and small trucking companies. It’s easier for government to control several big companies then thousands of owner operators and hundreds of smaller trucking companies. With the help of the ATA and the lying MEGA CARRIER’S they are going to try to achieve this.

  20. Why doesn’t fmca explain how putting 18 year olds behind the wheel of an 80000 lb truck, does not compromise safety on the roadway. Furthermore, allowing autonomous semi trucks on the road. White speak with forked tongue.

    1. FMCSA won’t do that because the ATA told them they can’t. The ATA members need those 18 year olds to drive their trucks because they can’t find any more dummies over 21 that will do it. And since they are “self insured” they can afford it. If I even wanted to (which I don’t) put my 20 and 18 yr olds on the road, I wouldn’t be able to afford the insurance. For the mega carriers it doesn’t cost them a dime more. If they are going to be self in sured then that money should be locked up to where they can’t use it to operate also. Shoot if I could set aside the 30k I spend in insurance and use it for day to day operations that would be awesome because next year I would have another 30k and before long I could buy a bunch of trucks and just keep growing. Oh wait!! No I don’t want that! But the point is that is what they are doing while we actually do pay out they are not which is a huge disadvantage for the small guy. That’s why we need $2+/mile to survive and if they get a $1 they are fine with that. They don’t have to pay the driver much of it and they pre buy their fuel at deep discounted pricing and pay no insurance. Not to mention get wholesale pricing on trucks, trailers, tires and on and on. And honestly I am OK with that but don’t over regulate me and try to make me be like them.

  21. The eld mandate is a dangerous tool causes drivers to take chances they normally wouldn’t. drive faster than they would in bad weather conditions. Push push push. ding and the race is on. Racetrack trucking. fighting the clock all day long but all that aside fact is it doesn’t promote any real safety just the opposite. but it should be a choice not the government forcing citizens to purchase a product and service. It’s all about money and control. somthing I’d like to see. An accurate number on were all of our road use tax money goes including fuel license fees and fines. Also how fmcsa and Congress can allow mega carriers to be self insured. When its been documented it allows them to do business at a lesser cost. also grants for training when they do such a piss poor job of training all this money the mega carriers get is our tax dollars so they’re using our money to run us out of business. That’s not free market system that’s our government picking winners and losers and as for accidents properly trained and paid drivers and training for general public how to operate around semi trucks rules of the road and personal responsibility is the only way to reduce accidents on our roadways

  22. Gotta love how business has to prove safety will not be impacted, when there is ample evidence ELD’s have not done anything to increase safety or decrease accidents.

  23. trucking business is fucked company drivers,owner operators we need to stop moving trucks that way we can take power back and remember things need to be done our way not theirs lets stop this industry for just couple of that after that they the goverment will surrend and every single business will do our way we move this country insurrance will be lover,no more dot harrassment,no more roadtax scam,no more state crossing permit we need to stop this shit asap and move no more loads

  24. It’s about the money for those out east under the table of course . Plus most of paying stock owned by those . It only profits big companies.

  25. Small business truckers have been abusing their paper logs ever since the first log books were required. Groups like OOIDA would have the common public who know nothing about trucking believe that all drivers have the moral standards of a saint and wouldn’t even consider falsifying an official document. For those of us in the business we are all to aware that falsifying the log books was the rule and not the exception. Slang terms for the logs such as the cheat sheets, swindle sheets and funny pages were well deserved. ELD’s level the playing field for all drivers and more importantly contribute to the public safety.

    1. You really believe your comment’s? your probably not old enough to know what
      we drivers went through in the 60’s thru 90’s to get punks like you to where you are today. If you only knew you would leave
      PUBLIC SAFETY out of your comment’s.

  26. Its not about safety all about money,look how much it costs to comply with ELD rule.shippers and receivers are taking hours n hours to load/unload trucks,killing bottom line profit.small trucking companies are to shutdown and let big corporations take over this is the plan.

  27. The stupidity of this whole ELD bullshit is. I stay up 34.625hrs on a required restart nonstop meaning no sleep,
    watching movies, sitting up watching traffic, walking,whatever. Now I am ready to go to work leagaly no one can stop me. I’ve had my proper off duty time, they’ll never use ELD OR PAPER OR WHATEVER FOR SAFETY, its just one more step to a COMMUNIST Country.
    I’ve seen alot of changes in my 42yrs out here,if You Don’t put a stop to this SHIT we’ll lose our FREEDOM FOREVER.
    WE HAVE THE POWER THERE ARE MORE SMALL CO. THAN BIG, IT just takes GUT’S

  28. It appears FMCSA is not going to back away from electronic logging. But one thing for sure electronic logging in my opinion is definitely a safety hazard to all interstate and intrastate traffic. It puts the driver in dangerous situations and the public is at a dangerous situation.Electronic logging is definitely a safety hazard and I can’t help thinking the FMCSA knows that.

  29. Elds wow cheated everyday lied on at shipper showing loaded in first 30 then sleeper birth tell act loaded 6 hrs later wow 2 HR nap then on the road racing to next stop wow now tired, but can’t stop clock don’t ,light bill due house payment etc. So now you got a tired driver speeding to get to destination ! So what is safe about a elds ? It just a violation of your constitutional right the Constitution states you can only track a law abiding citizen with a warrant ! Fmcsa violated your constitutional rights and you dum drivers bowwed down and took it !!!!!!

  30. So i sit here and read these comments and a lot of you drivers and business owners are absolutely correct but then i read ones that say eld’s are great and they never have a late delivery or any issues. So i run a 1 truck operation and don’t have to use an eld but i see these same drivers saying how great they are and yet they are speeding down the hwy all the time,speeding in parking lots, taking their breaks on the fuel islands or side of roads,and yet they love the eld so much and brag about running legal which they really dont. I would love to see them actually run legal like no speeding,take breaks in appropriate places,actually log on the eld instead of using personal conveyance or yard moves to cheat. If that was all done they would be compliant and losing their asses lol..to the rest of you i feel the old rules were a lot better of the 10 driving 8 sleeper and split any combination you wanted at least 2 hours. All it needed was a restart to be perfect. Eld’s have not promoted safety at all and as a business owner it should be our choice. Have a great day..

  31. This country is on the brink of collapse. They will be a revolution soon enough. The people are fed up!

  32. I may as well put my 2 cents worth in,I drove with my husband for over 15 yrs.We had a good life, but we also had the same problems then as you guys have now. we had problems with the shippers and recievers making our life miserable by making us wait and wait. Until the drivers make up their minds to take the bull by the horns and shut everything down for at least 3 days and that may not be long enough,This stuff of complaining and doing nothing has got to stop, if you really want to do something. It always hurts to have a short payday, but that is what it amounts to, if you really want to stop some of this nonsence.I would have loved to see this done while I was out on that long hard road.I wish I knew enough about how to get the ball rolling to help the drivers today,but it sure isn’t putting 18 yr.olds out on the road.My husband had to quit the over the road because he couldn’t get the hang of the elg’s.

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