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Hours of service changes might be coming soon. The industry will be safer if they pass.

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Late Thursday evening Texas Rep. (R) Brian Babin introduced a bill in the House that will change the hours of service regulations for American truckers. The bill is intended to modifiy the 14 hour rule and would allow drivers to enjoy a three-hour break without the time counting against the driver’s available hours. 

The act, called “The Responsible and Effective Standards for Truckers (REST) Act” would require the Department of Transportation to update Hours of Service regulations to allow a rest break once per 14-hour duty period for up to 3 consecutive hours as long as the driver is off-duty, effectively pausing the 14-hour clock.  However, drivers would still need to log ten consecutive hours off duty before the start of their next work shift.  It would also eliminate the existing 30-minute rest break requirement. 

While Rep. Babin has become a polarizing name in trucking circles with his fight over the ELD mandate, changing the hours of service rules would allow drivers to judge their own bodies and current conditions. It would also be an enormous victory for truckers. We also argue that it will make the industry safer. 

FreightWaves’ own Chief Analytics Officer, Dean Croke (who ran data science at the largest ELD provider in North America) argued that the 14 hour rule should be scrapped all together. In his article, Why the 14-hour clock rule is the most dangerous of them all, Croke states that “the idea that by regulating hours worked we somehow magically ensure drivers are well-rested for the next shift is completely flawed.” 

He describes that drivers need to have flexibility built into their available hours. Current regulations force drivers to compromise sleep schedules to maximize their earnings.

Drivers are paid on a per mile basis, but their capacity to earn is limited by how many hours they are able to drive. The more time drivers are delayed at docks, the less time they have to drive and earn. When shippers create delays, drivers end up pushing harder to make up for lost time.

Also (and perhaps less appreciated) is the impact of disrupted sleep caused by inconsistencies in the shipper community around loading/unloading schedules. 

The politics of this debate will play out over coming months and there will be a lot of arguments here. As an organization that believes the answer lies in data and not in political expediency, we are of the opinion that the REST Act is one where data is on Babin’s side. We get millions of ELD data points daily, which we use to answer all sorts of questions around economics, capacity, pricing, driver behavior and safety. Based on our analysis, the drivers that experience the most volatile dock loading and unloading schedules are also the most prone to incidents or accidents.

Clearly, the irregular pattern at which shippers operate has an enormous impact on driver sleep schedule. Anyone that has traveled on a multi-city business trip with flight delays can relate to how exhausting this is.

In an ironic twist, ELDs that Rep. Babin fought so passionately against will end up proving that his proposed REST bill will make the industry safer. Overhauling the HOS rules and allowing for the driver to take a break without penalty will end up encouraging drivers that need a nap the opportunity to do so. 

While ELD data can not prove Rep. Babin’s view that the ELD mandate is the “Dodd-Frank law of the trucking industry,” it can prove that driver fatigue without the opportunity for a break is a recipe for disaster. 

As with any regulation change, carriers would want to ensure that this time is not given up to shippers for their own benefit. ELDs, combined with blockchain has the potential to prevent this from happening. ELDs record dock times and with blockchain carriers can find out what average wait times and schedule are at a given stop, prior to accepting a load. They can also hold shippers accountable for having inconsistencies either in the form of detention or refusing to accept their loads to begin with.  

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  1. Carriers Will Use The Three Hour Rule To Their Benefit, Not The Drivers!!! Drivers Will Not Stop For A Three Hour Break!!! They Won’t Have The 30 Minutes To Have To Break, Resulting In Not Stopping And More Fatigue, As Usual Speeding, Causing More Harm!!! We Need Regulations!!! It’s Real Simple Too!!! 12 Hrs On And 12Hrs Off!!! Just Like Local Drivers!!! The Wages Law Needs Changing Too!!! It Needs To Be Set That All Drivers Get $16.50 An Hour With A Max Of $25.00 An Hour!!! O/O Need To Relieve Mileage Pay As Well As Hourly Pay, To Pay For Fuel, Maintance, Ect!!! All Trucks Need To Be Required By Law To Be Governed At 74Mph!!! This Includes O/O!!! Then, The Government Needs To Governed Four Wheelers At 78Mph!!! All Non-commercial Vehicles!!! All Loads Need To Be Booked At 55Mph!!! This Will Allow Time To Ensure Any Slip Ups That May Accur!!! All Trucks Must Be Equipped With A Logging Device!!! No Exceptions!!! Open Up More Parking!!! There Is Not A Driver Shortage!!! This Is A Lie!!! All Scale Houses Need To Be Reopened And Complete Multi Full Blown, DOT Inspections!!! Get These Trash Trucks Off The Roads!!! Four Wheelers In All States Need To Be Enforced Once A Year, By Full Blown DOT Inspections!!! These Wannabe Small Timing Trucking Companies Need To Be Shut Down!!! You Will See How Much More Productive, Safer The Roads Will Be!!!

    1. If your rules ever become law. I will quit and leave the country. You want to clamp down on the trucking industry through gov’t. Limit pay, limit the work time. This sounds like socialism. Oh, by the way if I want to go 80 mph I will.
      4,000,000 miles of accident-free driving. So get out of my way!

    2. Your money that your talking about would lower my standard of living. Your examples are behind the times.

    3. You sir with all due respect are a damn idiot and need to move on out of this free country. Because who are you to tell me what I am worth as a driver who gives you the right to dictate on how much another man makes while sacrificing time away from his family.
      And for your precious ELECTRIC logs you can stuff them up your ass. Anyone that has been out here any length of time and has payed attention can tell you since the mega companies have installed elds the drivers seems to think small towns and truck stops are drag strips to make up time.
      If you want safer roads start doing a better job of training . These $7000 three week driviing schools are a joke.Not to mention the fact that these mega companies will hire these people and within 6 months will make them a trainer.Damn man I have had these steering wheel holders come up and ask me how to do the basic things that every chance driver should know before they are let out on there own.
      We don’t need elds and we damn sure don’t need more government control. In case you have not figured it out anytime the government touches anything they fuck it up. So go back to your 9 to 5 job and leave the trucking to us and quit trying to dictate what I need to earn. I don’t see you dictating what these over paid sports players make so again leave us the hell alotand let us do our jobs

    4. Wow, you really want the government to control every aspect of the industry. I believe you are living in a wrong country. Maybe you should consider moving to China or maybe North Korea would be a better place for you. There every aspect of your life would be controlled by the government that’s what you want right? You dont want people to actually decide and take responsibility for their actions you want government to regulate them. Great idea!! Shut down small wanna be trucking companies?!!! Very american way. Where did you come from? Obviously you hit your head at birth thats why you never produced nothing in your life, you just drive for someone else and probably still complain how many hours you have to work, that is why you would like to work 12/12. Lazy bastard. The 3 hour proposed is a great idea which will allow driver to leave early before rush hour get to his destination take 3 hour brake before app without loosing any time out of the 14 hrs. That equals safety. Not driving during rush hour=less traffic=less posibility for accident=safe arrival to destination=3hrs break=rested driver before proceeding with his day=on time delivery/pickup=everybody being happy=only you complaining like a little bitch.?

    5. You have a huge problem with your intelligence my friend. Please keep this to your self

    6. Wow. You’re an idiot. Especially wanting to put a maximum on earnings….$25/hr max? I make well over that now. And wtf is with you capitalizing every single word? Moron.

  2. John, your ideas have some merit. European trucking companies pay either by the hour, including time spent sitting at docks (we are still on the job after all – duh), or by straight lump salary, assuring a steady income.
    However, the idea of regulating private 4-wheelers begs the question : How much power are you willing to impart to big brother?

  3. This is complete BS and doesn’t really help anything… we need to be able to split that 10hr rest break

  4. Shippers and receivers should have some type of Regulation that holds them responsible for excessive time drivers have to wait from their appointment.

  5. John sounds like or not a driver, or day time drive, 5 pm truck stop shot down. Govern my ass. I drive night on empty roads and scales close. And drive fast when you sleep day time stick in traffic driver. Then not pull your view on others. Let people drive what they want. Open scales? Go oregon, enjoy. Not immediately understand babbins new hos. Have to try to see. Sounds better then present. No opinion without trying.

  6. Lower the 10hr consecutive to 8hr and use that 2hr as drive decrection during the day for person time instead of pilling all at the end of the run

  7. Go back to 8 sleeping 10 deriving do recap no 14 or 34 restart I drove 65 for year’s now I drive 75 to make time not safe at all

  8. Finally someone who understands the transportation industry. Smartest thing that made sense in a long time.

  9. One of the major problems of this whole system is we have college educated people sitting behind desk that has never 1 day on the road or never been stuck out on Christmas with out seeing their families. 2nd problem is 90 percent of the trucking industry is cutting the trucks down to y5mph or like Ryder on the Toyota accounts cutting the trucks to 61mph this forces driver to run longer and harder because we can’t even do the speed limits which causes cars to get backed up and major problems come from that. The 3rd major problem is you have states like Tennessee who has closed almost all there rest areas. You want more trucks moving more freight rolling and you don’t have the intelligence to tell these companies turn the trucks up to the speed limits for everyone. 72mph in every truck ought to be a federal law for a minimum speed.

    1. Tennessee hasn’t closed most of their rest areas. Only one I know that’s closed is the new rest area on I40 just east of Memphis. And it just hasn’t been opened yet. I driver 40, 65, 75, and 81 all the time and I don’t know if any closed rest area.

  10. Do away with the 14hr rule, 11 &10 in a 24hr period, let the driver decide when they need to stop, ie. rest, to eat, waiting for rush hour to settle down, etc. With the ELD’s, traffic cams, scales & all the other things that we leave an electronic footprint with, we basically cannot step outside the lines anymore, so give us the 24hr day to get the job done safely & quit trying to micro-mananage every aspect of the trucking industry, because it never was & never will be a 9-5 job.

  11. The industry will be safer if the rule changes passes? BALONEY! I see some of these drivers that are out here everyday. i DO NOT want them driving a CMV 17 hours after their On Duty cycle has begun. Oh and the guys that are cheating now will be free to cheat with an extra 3 hours to help the profits of some of the largets corporations in the US.

  12. What about 700 miles in 24 hour ,, with 10 hour mandatory during the day

  13. I feel that the only thing that needs monitored is our 10hr sleep break we should not be regulated on what we do in 14hrs whether it be driving or loading also get rid of 70hr 8day rule who cares how many hrs I work in 8 days as long as I sleep 10hrs a night

  14. 10 hrs sleeping that’s stupid after 5 or 6 hrs I can’t sleep no more with noisy engines on, so 10 hrs rest doesn’t mean I rest well…

  15. I have been a trucker most of all my life. We started out making approximately $0.15 back in the 70s.. we actually got paid Hub milesl back then. Until President Jimmy Carter and President Reagan de-regulated the trucking industry. Now We truckers drive from zip code to zip code. And we don’t get paid for all our miles the companies we work for. The companies that we work for get away with free work of us drivers we actually drive 50 miles from one city to another city and don’t get paid for it. Like I said we get paid from zip code ZIP code ZIP code . This has been going on since 1970s but I think we truck drivers need to stand up since we have these clocks in our trucks now. We need to get paid like it was in the past from hub-to-hub now. Rise up my trucker Brothers it is time now to put an end to this we need to go on strike Brothers. We don’t get paid for sitting at shippers and the customers for hours that we don’t get paid for. Shippers allow us to sit there to 3 hours before we get paid we need detention . You see Brothers out here at my fellow truck drivers. It is not the White House that runs the country it is not the president that runs the country it is we truck drivers. It is everything they eat we eat we cloth they different sayings that America stands for is hauled by us we control the country. If you only stand with me and other fellow brothers and drivers out here for a living . We can get what we deserve and put this bullshit behind us and the past where companies rip us off left in light. We are the power of the country not you companies.

  16. Soooooo tired of hearing about truckers fight against ELD and HOS. They don’t like it, because they can’t lie! And they all lie! I don’t drive anymore, but when I did I hated doing paper logs.
    Everyone else in the working world that is in a Safety Sensitive Position has to come to work Fit For Duty and rested. But for some reason, it eludes truck drivers. The 70’s are long gone when truckers could keep 3 or 4 logs, pop some white cross and listen to Convoy.
    BTW, I wouldn’t worry about all of this anyway. Trucks will drive themselves soon enough and problem solved.

    1. I disagree with you Dan. I am new truck driver. I love the ELD, BUT I don’t like that I don’t get paid for sitting at a shipper. I sat the other day for 6 hours…unpaid. By the time I could drive again my 14 hour clock was up. I was not tired because I slept more than half the hours while I was there. If this new law was in affect at least I would have had a couple more hours to drive before I had to take a 10 hour break. We also don’t get paid to drop and pick up a load, we don’t get paid for fueling, Scaling our load, for the required pre and post inspection, breakdowns or waiting in traffic jams. As it is now, I drove about 5 hours total, made about $120 and once taxes is taken out and I buy my food I will be lucky to clear $70. Now I have to sit another 10 hours making that a total of 16 hours off a day while I am away from home. Many drivers are quitting because they could make more at home on minimum wage and be able to see their family. As I say I love that the electronic logs keep track of my time because I despise doing papers logs myself. But something is going to have to happen…because strike or no strike truckers cant keep taking the financial burden.

      1. Look into linehaul or dedicated routes. As it is now, I drive west out of Phoenix for about 4.5 hours, drop & hook, and drive back. Home every night, and only work 5 days a week. Extra trips available if I want to make a little extra money, but I gross about 1200/wk with just the 5 days.

  17. Personally, I believe those that were the original H.O.S. rules 80 some years ago knew more that the stores in Washington today… The old original split break options of 8&2, 7&3, 6&4, or 5&5 hours was better and safer than all the unproven science of today…… Bring that back giving the driver’s the control to get needed rest were at the same time avoiding putting a lot of UNNECESSARY extra truck traffic into overly congested big cities during peak traffic periods…

  18. I stopped driving in September of last year because it wasn’t fun anymore. But when I was driving I always did the split sleeper berth no mater if it was the old way 5 on 5 sleeper. Or the new way 5.5 driving 2 off 5.5 driving and 8 sleeper. This eliminates the 30 minutes break. Plus using smart trip planning as well, I’ve always gotten plenty of rest.

  19. Many times im alert and wide awake but out of 14. Req’d break for 10 but cant sleep untill 7th to 8th hr so I get 2-3 hrs rest then it’s time to drive again. Now im still sleepy but HAVE to drive to make appt time. If i could of kept going while i felt good then slept when i was ready to… instead of forced to "rest" before my body needed to. Id be a much safer driver! As it now i hate it because because these set rules forces me to drive when im tired.

  20. Will the 3 hr ‘Rest’ be mandatory like the 30 minute break as far as to having th option of a 30 minute break or Not at all ?

  21. This is no good put some responsibility on the shippers and receivers they can still delay us with no ramifications but now we can work 17 hours for the ineptness of the shippers and receivers NO THANKS!!!

  22. 1: The Supreme Court should intervene and issue a unanimous verdict of unconstitutionality regarding this mandate. As it directly compromises the fourth and fifth amendments, as well as stomping on individual liberty as written into the US Constitution. Collectively, our right to the liberty to choose for ourselves the manner in which we live our lives, create our happiness and provide for our families is now in the hands of bureaucrats who quite literally know nothing about this business.
    2: IF this were truly a “cure all” for the fatigue related safety issues plaguing this industry, a “mandate” would be unnecessary; as we’d all be on board of our own volition.
    3: The fact of the matter is, the highest percentage by far of fatigue related fatalities and accidents occurring within this industry involve trucks whose companies already utilize the ELD or AOBRD. So the argument for this “…to make our citizens and roadways safer…” is false.
    4: The lack of proper training/schooling should be addressed instead of punishing those whose records are vastly superior to ATA member companies who already use ELD.
    5: A much better, more productive mandate would be that those individuals working within the FMCSA, DOT, and other regulatory agencies affecting this industry who’s work directly or indirectly affects regulatory control, would be required to have a minimum ten years real time experience in this field. And that driving schools extend their training time to be as thorough as possible. Bringing enhanced real time training into play and increasing “road time” and “backing time” requirements prior to qualifying to test out for a CDL. Those things coupled with government regulations limiting time at shippers and receivers to two hours at most, prior to being required to pay detention directly to the driver (not the carrier) AND fines to the government as set by DOT and FMCSA regulation. These along with a retraction of the 14 hour rule in its entirety, would go a long way to provide less fatigued, safer drivers.

     A side note: This is THE ONLY INDUSTRY in this country where people are being punished for working overtime. The substitution of safety (true safety) for regulatory control of a vastly diverse industry, by “painting it with one brush” so to speak, is an exercise of ignorance on a scale that will cost lives...
    
     Just my thoughts...
    
  23. 1: The Supreme Court should intervene and issue a unanimous verdict of unconstitutionality regarding this mandate. As it directly compromises the fourth and fifth amendments, as well as stomping on individual liberty as written into the US Constitution. Collectively, our right to the liberty to choose for ourselves the manner in which we live our lives, create our happiness and provide for our families is now in the hands of bureaucrats who quite literally know nothing about this business.
    2: IF this were truly a “cure all” for the fatigue related safety issues plaguing this industry, a “mandate” would be unnecessary; as we’d all be on board of our own volition.
    3: The fact of the matter is, the highest percentage by far of fatigue related fatalities and accidents occurring within this industry involve trucks whose companies already utilize the ELD or AOBRD. So the argument for this “…to make our citizens and roadways safer…” is false.
    4: The lack of proper training/schooling should be addressed instead of punishing those whose records are vastly superior to ATA member companies who already use ELD.
    5: A much better, more productive mandate would be that those individuals working within the FMCSA, DOT, and other regulatory agencies affecting this industry who’s work directly or indirectly affects regulatory control, would be required to have a minimum ten years real time experience in this field. And that driving schools extend their training time to be as thorough as possible. Bringing enhanced real time training into play and increasing “road time” and “backing time” requirements prior to qualifying to test out for a CDL. Those things coupled with government regulations limiting time at shippers and receivers to two hours at most, prior to being required to pay detention directly to the driver (not the carrier) AND fines to the government as set by DOT and FMCSA regulation. These along with a retraction of the 14 hour rule in its entirety, would go a long way to provide less fatigued, safer drivers.

     A side note: This is THE ONLY INDUSTRY in this country where people are being punished for working overtime. The substitution of safety (true safety) for regulatory control of a vastly diverse industry, by “painting it with one brush” so to speak, is an exercise of ignorance on a scale that will cost lives...
    
     Just my thoughts...
    
  24. Got out of trucking industry back in 2011 I have thought bout going back I love driving seeing the country but if I do return to transport work it will be on a smaller scale , over 20 yrs in the transportation field , personally the more you regulation on things the more likely problems will occur , over regulation is definitely the biggest problem in transportation

  25. Do away with the 14 hour rule all together and go back to the 24 hour clock. Drive 11 in 24 hrs. Take 10 hour break. If driver did need to take 3hr consecutive break, the 24 hour clock wouldn’t need to be extended. That’s being responsible and respecting professional drivers. All these HOS jirations are only to do with lobbyists, mega carriers that only represent 10% of trucking, lobbing for laws and regulations to force 90% of independent owner operators out the industry, so they could have a bigger monopoly to control rates. Right now rates are low due to mega carriers bidding on volume. If they were the only ones left in the market, rates would be way high, they wouldn’t even bid on volume, they would just commit capacity. So this isn’t about safety. Everyone pays insurance to cover accidents and fatalities -just a fact of life. This is about greedy mega carriers and politicians…

  26. I feel they should do away with 14 hour rule. Long as you’re rest take as long as you want to drive the 11, once you hit 11 you take a 10 thusly so if there’s a delay at the shipper/receiver, traffic issue, hungry, need a shower etc. You won’t worry about the down time counting against you. Speed regulating isn’t for safety, if anything it’s a hazard, take a truck traveling maxed out at 63mph in a 70mph zone and a four wheeler traveling 74mph approaches no paying attention (texting, putting on makeup, reading the paper, fussing at kids in the backseat, etc.) for whatever the reason doesn’t see the slower moving truck. A split second is all it takes and they’re under the rear of said truck…government mandates in this industry only makes it unsafe…20 30 40 years ago large truck crashes were accruing but not in large scale and four wheelers and general public respected them, today no one wants them around…good luck living without them, everything you need want or have at some point was on a truck, housing food meds. car and all the little luxuries

    1. Until last year, speed limiters had no involvement by the government. They’re set by the insurance companies via discounts for trucking companies that have lower speeds set on their limiters.

  27. Then the simplest solution would be to get rid of paid per mile system & start paying drivers by the hour! Then drivers wouldn’t feel the need to stretch their days as much as possible to get as many miles as possible to obtain a decent paycheck! No other country in the world outwith North America still pays by the mile – they get paid by the hour!

  28. This is just another way for companies to make their drivers work longer hrs in a day without pay..

    1. How would they be working longer hours? The pausing of the 14 hour clock is OFF DUTY only. Not on duty; not driving. So if the driver is working while logged as off duty, that’s just his or her own dumb faultt.

  29. This would have helped me last night. Was driving way too tired because I needed to get a load delivered and only had just barely enough time to get it done. If I could have stopped for a nap it would have been much safer. Thank God I was able to get where I was going without incident.

  30. I drove for three years in an otr capacity. My experience with this endeavor is that drivers need to be paid an hourly rate instead of per mile rate. You already are punching a time clock with the electronic log so companies pay a decent wage to your employees. Teamster’s need to negotiate contracts for the truck driver. Put an end to this BS! No more low pay or slave labor!

  31. We should go back to the 10 hour rule and then would be much safer and more flexibility to us

  32. I completely disagree. As a 15 year Cdl holder, you are focusing in on a particular sector of the transportation industry. Mainly the most inefficient and lowest paid. This covers 10-15 percent of the type of drivers that also have to adhere to the 14 hour rule. Not every Cdl driver is subject to these types of schedules. Don’t blow the system away for 10 percent. I guarantee revolt will drown out any positive information you can present from eld’s as this industry is stronger than you think. Division is the only way we overcame intrastate and interstate regulations. Perhaps another class division is required to seperate these types of "higher risk" schedules and accidents. Too many companies and groups being punished by these laws. Local commerce and even local route trucks are stringently punished because of these high potential issues with long haul drivers. Train Drivers and industry, Uphold the law, make scale house funds avail to enforce better, and ban extreme repeat offenders. This will save lives.

  33. LOL. You guys are making it HARDER for companies to use truck drivers?? And you wonder why companies are racing to replace drivers with self-driving trucks. And it looks like you did this to yourselves. Join the McDonalds workers who asked for higher wages, then got replaced by machines.

  34. Just to be clear, I respect truck drivers for their vital services. But in this age of more and more machine involvement in industries, bills like this are doing nothing but driving you guys off the road. I hope you all make it.

  35. I say get out of the industry. They count people staying in this industry taking the abuse calling it safety. If it really was about safety then 4 wheelers would be included. Rest area’s wouldn’t be closed. Laws would be in place for places like Wal Mart with huge parking lots would be mandatory for parking for big trucks. Truck stops wouldn’t be able to charge for parking. Shippers and receivers would be held accountable for ordering to many trucks they can’t load or unload. See the trucking industries has gotten to the point where instead of helping the driver who is on the road away from home,family,friends and resources they put laws and rules in place to hurt and take from the driver. Its not a good living anymore. Pay is the same as it was in the 80’s and to make up for it you did have to run harder. Now you can’t run harder and you can’t make the money either. So if you can make the money and you are going to be dogged out why do this b.s. Get out work on your plan B. Because they can’t bully people if there aren’t anyone to bully.

  36. Also this 30 min break not much of a break. Half of it is backing into a parking spot then standing in line at mcdonalds then pee then guess what before you can even eat your food dispatch is asking why the hell im not moving yet its been 31 mins!!

  37. The solution is quite simple, either go back to the pre-2003 (old) rules that were in place since ’37. Stops the on-duty clock when off duty or sleeper. OR The log only needs two lines, on-duty and off-duty. 12, 13, 14hrs pick one and stick with it! 8hrs is MORE than enough time in between shifts. 10hrs is a ridiculous amount of "mandatory" sleep. The science does not support the real world trucking industry nor can you use the same rules for an industry that is this diverse. LTL is different then TL, short haul is different then regional is totally different then long haul. Build in flexibility and lets move on. These changes ever few years are getting old and you wonder why there is a driver shortage.

  38. Mr. Oswald, can you please run for office or something. I have read a number of your posts on this site as well as a couple of others. Last one was on LinkedIn about Fatalities Increasing . Also, I believe I read one of your letters that were posted via FMCSA website. It seems so simple, yet this government just wants to complicate everything. Dot rules should not be like the tax code or the judicial system rules. You’re absolutely right, There are good drivers that are leaving the industry simply because they cannot stand the bureaucratic red-tape any longer Shippers and receivers are not being held accountable, causing the driver to sit for multiple hours in a row. I love your idea of a simple two line log, either you’re off duty or you’re on duty.

    Thank you sir for your contributions!!!

  39. I think the drivers need to be able to hold the shippers accountable for more sit time than one hour, dont get me wrong the company needs to be paid as well but the damn driver is the one out there not the company owner and it should be inforced. are either the gov. needs to get involved and set a pay rate for drivers with at least 5 years of experiance $24.00 and up and hour and anything less $18.00 to $23.00 an hour and we charge any shipper are reciever that holds us more than an hour and a half a rate of $125.00 per hour and split that with the company we drive for but make the company causing the wait time pay immediately. any on on board right me in as president in 2020 and ill write an executive order put it to law.

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